Last week I introduced this series of posts taking a look at AiG’s Evolution Exposed series of classroom reference material for the young earth creationist. I do not intend to argue for or against young earth creationism, but rather take a critical look at some of the philosophies and claims that those of us who hold to the authority of Scripture may be tempted to endorse. As a parent, I want to be able to answer my kids’ questions without deterring them from science as well as respond appropriately to those who may want to teach them differently.
This week we are looking at Chapter 1: What is Science and once again will be using the online guide (yes - because I’m too cheap to go out and get the real material).
What is Science? A proper view of science is foundational to the debate raised by Evolution Exposed and a great lead-in to any discussion on the merits of science. Unfortunately, despite the chapter title, an opportunity to properly ground the target audience in the philosophy of science from a God honoring perspective is missed. From the opening paragraph, Chapter 1 sets up its defense of creation science by attacking mainstream science. According to the authors, science, at least to the ‘outspoken part of the scientific community’, is the ‘systematic method of gaining knowledge about the universe by allowing only naturalistic or materialistic explanations and causes” and by this thinking, in effect rules out God. We also learn that mainstream science has been ‘hijacked’ by those holding a materialistic worldview. We read that it is based on faulty presuppositions and works out of a bias against God. I want to use these three claims to frame our discussion here.
Science allows only naturalistic or materialistic explanations and causes: I have no problem with this statement. Science is only reasonable when it includes naturalistic explanations. Corn fields are abundant here in Indiana. If you were to observe a particularly high yielding field one midsummer evening you’d likely conclude that the owner had used a particularly robust seed, or maybe has been able to maintain just the right amount of moisture and combination of nutrients in the ground. You would come to these conclusions despite the fact that you did not observe the seed going into the ground. You would not, however, conclude that the crop appeared healthy because it was planted by gnomes and fertilized by unicorns. Naturalism in science is not a bad thing. We depend on it every day. We take the laws of nature for granted. We get on a plane without wondering whether or not it'll get off the ground this time. We tune in the weather forecast to plan our travel. Most likely, when you consult your doctor, you are going to want recommendations based on collective wisdom of how the body works, not Voodoo. A distinction here between naturalism and materialism though should be made. Naturalism, as a mode of science, does not eliminate the possibility for miracles or a metaphysical cause, but rather is just unable to seek those causes. Materialism, on the other hand as properly described, claims that physical matter is all that there is and is adequate to explain all reality. This is a major tenet of humanism and though it may spring out of naturalism, it is not a necessary product of it.
Mainstream science has been hijacked by materialists: This attitude assumes a few things. for one, it assumes that the underlying method of science has changed at some point in time. It also assumes that an unspecified group of individuals have succeeded in blinding the masses (what's your favorite conspiracy theory?). I would argue that science has always sought naturalistic explanations. Granted, in the absence of naturalistic explanations, many philosophical explanations have been and continue to be proposed. As the understanding of our world grows, explanations fall by the wayside and are replaced with new ones. Yes, it is true that many of the ‘founders of science’ gave testament to the Glory of God. Are we to argue that mainstream science today does not also give testament to the Glory of God. I suspect that if they were alive today, many of the God fearing scientists of the 18th and 19th century would have a solid foothold in the mainstream science that supposedly has been hijacked by materialists. I’m not arguing that there doesn’t exist within the academics and industries of science a certain population of loud mouthed materialists, but I have a hard time believing a grand heist has occurred. Science is what it is. There are voices on every side, but it continues to move forward.
Science is based on presuppositions: “I tend not to believe people. People lie. The evidence doesn’t lie.” This quote is from one of favorite TV characters, Gil Grissom from the original CSI (and no, CSI will never be as good without him). Not one to be fooled by emotion or social persuasion, he religiously followed the evidence. Unfortunately, this statement misses an important element in the practice of science, the human element. The data may never lie, but our ability to rightly deduce truth from it may sometimes be skewed. Assumptions, presumptions, biases, presuppositions, call them what you want, they are all factors affecting interpretation and need to be considered. The point here that needs to be made is not that the same data can be interpreted differently as illustrated by a few cartoons. This is obvious and is proofed by the mere fact that we're even discussing this. The student of science must realize, however, that the fact that different interpretations of the same data may lead to vastly different conclusions is not testament to the equal validity of those conclusions. Presuppositions play a role and their presence cannot be overstated, but between presuppositions and conclusions are interpretations, and not all interpretations are created equal. Just as any good theologian will argue that there are both proper and improper methods of Biblical interpretation, a good scientist will recognize that there is a proper way and an improper way to handle the available data. Even though these methods of interpretation are not always clear cut, evidenced by the diversity of opinions in both the science and religious fields, a consensus on certain ‘truths’ can usually be made. The whole point of the chapter is dissuade trust in the majority held conclusions.
This post is already too long, so let me leave you with these two quotes from Chapter 1 to spur discussion:
“Evolution is the prevailing paradigm, and most scientists have stopped questioning the underlying assumptions that the theory is based on.” Do you agree? If so what would cause scientists to stop questioning certain underlying assumptions? At what point does the availability of evidence warrant the end of such questioning?
‘Creationists develop theories too, in light of biblical truth, but they are not widely accepted by the scientific community.’ Why not? Is this good science or bad bias?
Unfortunately, without an effort to build a definition of science within a positive framework of creation, I see this chapter as potentially discouraging to a student inclined to pursue his Creator through the study of science. Fundamental Christians do not need to pass on fear or distrust to their children and would do well not to behave as conspiracy theorists. Critical analysis of the claims of science and its underlying assumptions should always be encouraged. But a proper view of science also understands that science is always critical of itself. Bad theories will eventually be exposed and discarded by mainstream science. Natural selection is at work even in academia. If scientific answers really are in Genesis, I’ve got to believe that mainstream science will eventually get on board. But that’s just me. What do you think?
If I'm hearing you correctly, krook, especially your comments on naturalism, then you believe Creation Science is itself an oxymoron. I agree (again, assuming I'm hearing you correctly). Which means, with respect to your second question, insofar as the theories are "creationist" - i.e., posit supernatural causation - they are bad science (= not science). Which is precisely why they are not accepted in peer reviewed journals. There's a place for creation theologies, and there's a place for scientific theories, but the marriage of the two is an unholy alliance.
ReplyDeleteIf 'creation science' is itself limited to creation, then no, I don't see how it belongs in a conversation of science. The theories of creation science, though, usually extend themselves beyond creation to topics such as flood geology and the distinction of 'kinds'. Though a supernatural beginning is assumed, it can also be assumed that these supernatural events occurred in nature and will have natural impact. I think the reason for a lack of representation in peer reviewed journals has both to do with bias in the mainstream and bad science coming from the creationist camp. That's not to say alternative theories could not one day find their way in. AiG will have you believe they can't, not because of their science, but because mainstream science is both deceived and playing the part of the deceiver.
ReplyDeleteOk, so let's take the flood geologist, whose raison d'etre is to prove a young earth. Without factoring in genesis, do you think a scientist would draw this conclusion (young earth) from the geological record alone (not to mention the other types of scientific data attesting to a very old earth/universe)? I suspect not. So it seems that "flood geology" requires something outside of the natural realm, in this case a particular reading of genesis, in order to make its case. How is this any different than geocentrism, which must defy mountains of scientific data in order to maintain a scriptural "scientific" model?
ReplyDeleteBased on the available evidence today? no, you must factor in a particular reading of Genesis. The fact that the flood geologist is out to prove a hypothesis not based on available evidence would, in my mind, put him in the 'bad science' category. Is it possible that future discoveries or an alteration in current dogma could reveal knew evidence for such a flood? Sure. Should a scientist be forbidden from looking at these possibilities? I don't think so. I have no problem with someone believing the Genesis flood to be global and the earth to be young as long as he is honest with the available evidence and recognizes its reasonable end. The same would be true with geocentrism. In light of all the evidence, theorize all you want, just don't complain and cry 'foul' when mainstream science doesn't take you seriously.
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ReplyDeleteKrook or jvonehr. What are some examples of available evidence that would cause a geologist to naturally reach the conclusion of an old earth/universe? How does reading Genesis factor in to this discussion? Or is Genesis a factor at all in reaching one's conclusions?
ReplyDeletei think it's mainly biblical genealogies (so not just genesis) that leads to the young earth conclusion. there may be other data used - i think the bishop ussher combined other ancient chronographic sources with the biblical genealogies to come up with his absurdly precise (october 23, 4004 BC!) creation date. but truthfully, i haven't read any young earth literature in at least 15 yrs, so i'm not really up on the arguments.
ReplyDeleteThanks, but I was actually asking about examples of the available evidence leading to an old earth conclusion. I have somewhat of an idea about arguments for young earth, just because of my background.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing frustrates me. If you can't tell by now, I am somewhat guided by my "gut feeling" and emotions. Reason and logic still have there part too, but not in this argument; not for me. If I just pick up God's INSPIRED Word and start reading in Genesis and on and on, I have no trouble arriving at the conclusion that the Scripture means what it says. I don't think Genesis is God's "spin" on the beginning of the world in a way that the people of the day could understand. To me, the beginning of the earth is important enough to God (because it is an avenue for Him to receive glory) that he would not entrust it's story to the feeble hands of men and their ideas of the day, so that we could pick it apart thousands of years later (or millions of years if that makes you feel better) in light of science that He(God) couldn't have forseen. (I guess you could also insert the obsure idea of open theism here if you wanted to). I hope I'm not sounding too sarcastic here, just enought that I make a point.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard for me to entertain this topic for long because it's not one that I desire to give much attention to. I have just simply arrived at a conclusion and don't think I'll be shaken on it. As far as the topic of what aiG is doing. . . . . .I guess we could pick apart their real motives; but at the end of the day, they have a "bent" and a bias and they are simply defending their point of view and the views of scripture.
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I might need to apologize here for coming on too strong. Sorry if I offended by my last post. I am just over-passionate about the topic and make up for my lack of knowledge on the subject with zealousy. I just don't feel the driving urge to dive into the discussion cause I don't feel a need to. I am so concrete on where I stand that I am ready to move on, have bigger fish to fry, and so on. Know what I mean? For me, this is the milk. . . .stuff that I digest easily. And at the end of all this, I feel like I am left asking "HOW MANY POUNDS ARE IN AN INCH"? Is that even a question? Exactly my point.
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Smitty,
ReplyDeleteWhile I am sympathetic to your position, I don't know that I agree with your dismissing this topic as "milk". I think this is an important discussion, and any time that someone is thinking through an issue critically, that is when they arrive at deeper truths, and begin to see things for themselves and not have it bottle fed to them. Just because it is not a crucial issue to you doesn't mean it is "milk".
With that said, I do wonder if the "available evidence" is so compelling that to be considered a good scientist, you must believe in an old universe. Admittedly, I need to study this out more (I am no scientist, simply speaking profoundly as a fool here!), but it seems that both sides are a bit handicapped to have concrete proof, considering all we have is what we know in the present, and how we interpret the evidence that is available is how we reach our conclusions (interpret being the key word).
Krook - I also don't think that a desire to be accepted by main stream scientific thought should be a motivation for reaching any certain conclusion. Why do they have the prerogative to set the rules when it comes to interpreting evidence? I guess because they're "respected, mainstream scientists"?
fitzsy - sorry i misunderstood your question. i actually don't think genesis has anything to do with the earth's age - it's a scientific question and genesis (or the bible for that matter) isn't a scientific treatise.
ReplyDeleteas to the scientific evidence, i'll let the scientist in the mix (krook) address that. i'm generally aware of the types of scientific data - archaeological, geological, cosmological, etc. - and dating methods that factor into the equation, but to wax eloquent on the specifics is above my pay grade. from my vantage point, i see no reason (cf. my comments on the bible) to fight against what is unquestionably an overwhelming scientific consensus, any more than i would resist a heliocentric view of the universe ... as some are still doing, based on a particular reading of the bible - http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/.
I've been away for a few days and I must say am pretty excited about the ongoing dialogue. Fitzy, as I've stated before, it is not my intent to use the posts to argue a certain position on the age of the earth. It may come to that point eventually, but I'll hold off on the arguments for/against YEC/OE for now. But let me rephrase and re-ask your question. Should a reading of Genesis factor into a geologist's rendering of his available data? Should a Christ following geologist behave differently than an atheist geologist in his handling of the evidence?
ReplyDeleteSmitty, if you are going to have us believe this is milk to you, I'm sensing a little lactose intolerance :)
ReplyDeleteWhy does mainstream science have the prerogative to 'set the rules' for interpretation?. The rules are the rules because they belong to the mainstream. Fringe scientists, for instance those chasing Sasquach, are not necessarily wrong for bucking convention, but will have a lot of convincing to do before their findings are accepted by the scientific majority. The 'rules' in geology, biology, astronomy, and any other field of observational science, have been hammered out and debated for decades and continue to be refined. The self correcting nature of science creating the rules have always come out of mainstream science.
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